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December 16th, 2009 by Clark Humphrey

Urban planning blogger Josh Grigsby spent three days in Seattle recently. He totally hated it:

Seattle is predominantly low-density sprawl, and its urban core reeks of decay. Never have I felt less inclined to venture out after dark than in the International District or adjacent Pioneer Square. Heading out from the hostel on foot to find a bowl of noodles for dinner I was accosted twice by young men selling drugs, followed for several weaving blocks by five other young men, screamed at by a well-dressed but seemingly mentally ill young man, and propositioned by a strung-out pimp whose employees remained unseen. Roving gangs of teens and twentysomethings, faces hidden by oversized hoods, patrolled the streets. I saw no families, no police, no women, none of the eyes on the street that self-regulate their urban neighborhoods.

He doesn’t like our transit system either.


4 Responses  
  • Josh Grigsby writes:
    December 16th, 20096:14 pmat

    I didn’t hate Seattle, I was disappointed by it. If it had been Rapid City I wouldn’t have been, but c’mon, this was Seattle. The most literate city in America. The Canadian San Francisco. Home of Nirvana, Starbucks, Pete Dexter, and Griffey Junior. Downtown Seattle is clearly in rough shape, but the squandered potential is really what stands out. I don’t know the city well at all, and my impressions were shaped by three meager days of walks and bus rides, but Seattle is supposed to be a bastion of all that is good about American cities. The reality caught me off guard. In my experience, the wider the divide between a city’s daytime and nighttime culture, the greater its problems. What are your thoughts? Am I way off base?

  • Ries writes:
    December 16th, 20098:35 pmat

    I think he is at least partially correct.
    Partially, because there are other neighborhoods of Seattle that are a bit better- but, frankly, whoever said Seattle was “a bastion of all that is good about American Cities” has probably never lived in New York, LA, Miami, New Orleans, Chicago, San Francisco, or even Portland.
    Because, as someone who has lived in Seattle off and on since 1955, I would have to say, that, aside from the views, Seattle is inferior as a real city to any of those places.

    Part of it is due to the Lutheran Scandinavian heritage- its only been recently that drinking alcohol was not considered a sin around here. Nightlife was for drunken loggers and sailors, and anyone with morals was in bed, with the door locked, by 9pm.

    And part of it is confusing corporatism with a real city.
    Whats good for Vulcan is good for Seattle…

  • Elaine Bonow writes:
    December 18th, 20099:28 amat

    As a Seattle lifer I came to the same conclusion after visiting other cities recently. The center of the downtown core is not so bad but the Market closes early. Belltown is dark and dirty. No wonder it is so scary to people. Visiting Austin and San Antonio Texas this fall I came to the conclusion that Seattle is in the fun closet. All the music is shuttered behind doors with those horrible crowded smoking pens in the front. Pioneer Square is worse. Capitol Hill has the rowdy area again dark and steamed up with the smell of bratwerst. Ballard is a contender but wandering down the street is not festive just desperate. I would like more of something. Maybe just better lighting. Close the main drags to cars and let the party spill into the streets. But then I would probably hate that too!

  • CD writes:
    December 25th, 20092:39 pmat

    I didn’t hate Seattle, I was disappointed by it. If it had been Rapid City I wouldn’t have been, but c’mon, this was Seattle. The most literate city in America. The Canadian San Francisco. Home of Nirvana, Starbucks, Pete Dexter, and Griffey Junior. Downtown Seattle is clearly in rough shape, but the squandered potential is really what stands out. I don’t know the city well at all, and my impressions were shaped by three meager days of walks and bus rides, but Seattle is supposed to be a bastion of all that is good about American cities. The reality caught me off guard. In my experience, the wider the divide between a city’s daytime and nighttime culture, the greater its problems. What are your thoughts? Am I way off base?


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